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Obama, You Sold Me (and all lefties) Out

Obama, You Sold Me (and all lefties) Out

Hey Barry, hi, how are you? Good, good, glad to hear it. Hey listen, that whole debate you did last week with those dastardly Republicans? Yeah, you totally sold us out. Just had to say it.

Us progressives have been waiting for the ‘angry black man’ to come out, but we’ve been sadly disappointed. The right keeps insisting that they see him, but you could expand gun rights in national parks, and they’d still say you’re coming for their guns.

Oh wait, that happened already, didn’t it? Well, here we are, I guess.

So now it’s $450k

You ran on a hardline of taxes going up for those over $250,000, but it was bumped up to $450,000. That’s ridiculous. It used to be the top 2.9%, but now it’s far less than 1%. Seriously? Can’t tax the rich, have to just stick to the super-rich? How many billions did you leave on the table?

Stimulus schmimulus

But what about that stimulus package you proposed. What was it, something anemic like $50 billion? If that was your opening, you’re doing it wrong. You should have started with a trillion, to match what happened before. Then we could settle at a happy middle ground of $200 billion, far better than the zero we got.

Sure they watered down the first stimulus and took well over half of it in (non-stimulating) tax cuts, and stopped payment on much of the rest, but at least you went big. You didn’t go big this time. You started at pennies and you settled for no pennies. We need stimulus. We need your Jobs program.

No debt ceiling consideration?

Really? You put off the inevitable for what, like a week? Weak. You’re not asking America to spend more, but to honor the debts racked up by the Republican house and general bi-partisan combined houses. Restore my faith and mint a pair of trillion-dollar coins to stave it all off. Like you said, the economy of the world hangs in the balance. Screw this up and the world will look elsewhere for stability.

Your original offer was to allow the president unlimited authority to increase the debt ceiling as needed and you settled on… nothing? Oh come on Barry, that’s just sad. You couldn’t even get a trillion out of it?

No action on gun control

There is no better time to act. Now is exactly the time to flex your might and cash in your political chits… but there’s no action. What are you waiting for? Take a drastic step. The lives of tens of thousands of Americans hang in the balance. If you’re not interested in lives, consider it’s billions in tax revenue lost at the unfortunate end of a barrel.

And what’s with that bo-shat Obamacare?

What we wanted was single-payer. No? Okay, the give us a public option… still no? Then what do we get? Oh, a federal mandate to purchase insurance from the private market with virtually no cost controls in place. Yeah, that’s garbage.

I’m a small business owner, and this bill screws me.

You have the power. You don’t even need congress. You hold the pen. Just issue an executive order that lowers the medicare eligibility age to 0… done. The private sector can still fend for themselves, but they’ll obviously die in a year or two (one Tea Party company might survive a few years, assuming sufficient outrage from the Right,) but it will help everyone and immediately.

We don’t need a mandate, we need universal health care, and Obamacare doesn’t provide that. There’s still painfully little preventative care, zero cost-controls and job portability remains as elusive as ever.

So that’s how us progressive donors are feeling right about now. We wanted progress, not congress. Come through for us Barry O. We need someone like you. Or more accurately, someone like the hard-line right thinks you are.

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49 Responses to “Obama, You Sold Me (and all lefties) Out”

  1. Whoa! I thought this was all Bush’s fault? Don’t you still love this guy? Guess you haven’t checked your recent witholding tax. Or noticed that healthcare costs have skyrocketed. Hope ‘n Change….Keep on hoping and sure enough it will change for the worse!

  2. Brian K. White says:

    No, Bargis. You have wholly misunderstood liberal voters. We’re not monolithic or top-down. We don’t idolize our elected officials, just respect them. Healthcare costs have exceeded inflation by at least a factor of five for decades, that’s regardless of who’s in office.

    America has already changed for the better under Obama. You’re free to jam your fingers in your ears and scream “lalalalala I don’t hear you!” all you want. But then again, if you’re asking me, you can jam them anywhere you like and say that. ;)

    Are you ready to publish a story on the faults and shortcomings of your party?

  3. But The One said in 2009 healthcare costs would go down? OK Brian, whatever you believe…But please don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion OK?

  4. Brian: “America has already changed for the better under Obama.”

    Huh?

    Sorry, but it’s about time that somebody called a BS timeout here.

    Despite all of the government’s sugar-coated assurances that the economy is beginning to turn around, the undeniable facts of the matter are that:

    In the last 4 years, the nation’s debt almost DOUBLED from $9.1 trillion to more than $16.2 trillion (ouch)

    Today there are more than 10 million Americans out of work.

    Right now as you read this, a record 46 million people are relying on food stamps to survive (up from 19 million just 4 years ago)

    The reality of the matter is that things are not getting better. They’re getting worse, and FAST.

  5. Brian K. White says:

    Two things. Don’t be a dick to me. I’ve never been mean to you, but you are very much being mean to me. I’m not sure if you’re trying to push my buttons or you think my buttons can’t be pushed, but back off dude. You’re already over the line. I’m tempered, but you’re testing me.

    And second, we already know what comes after a trillion. Bush discovered it.

    “My Bush, two Brazilion soldiers were killed in Afghanistan.”

    “How many is a Brazilian?”

  6. I see nothing that indicates I’m twisting your tail. It’s a discussion isn’t it? You are adament that honest dialogue is used as a response, which I’ve done. Please,don’t be so thin-skinned when someone has an opposing view.
    It was just a couple of stories that back you accused me of doing the B-S routine! (Which I proved otherwise)

  7. Brian K. White says:

    So you’re 4 of the 6 comments on this story… but we can agree that you won’t write anything critical of your leaders… got it. Fair enough. We now discover the depths of, what shall we call it, honesty?

  8. I call it a waste of time….

  9. Skoob1999 says:

    It strikes me that this debate has been utterly derailed by the pro-gun lobbyists. The original intention appeared to be to put measures in place to stop such tragic incidents as school shootings and homicidal gun rampages.

    From there it seems to have evolved into a temper tantrum by NRA supporters who scream that their rights under the Second Amendment are being violated.

    So, Bargis – oh enlightened one – how exactly do you address a recurrent problem which involves innocent kids being gunned down en masse? Comparing gun control to Naziism is childish and narcissistic. As a responsible gun owner, your government is asking you to assist in preventing further atrocities. The only solution you guys seem able to come up with is to arm everybody.

    I somehow doubt that such a move would work. I do see that you have studiously avoided the question about how to prevent these occurrences, and chosen instead to focus on the Second Amendment. The right to bear arms.

    When you’re talking about bearing arms, and your right to do so – who exactly are you protecting yourself from? Your fellow countrymen? Or are you anticipating an alien invasion? By space vampires or something?

    Maybe the reptilians? The New World Order? The Illuminati? Hobbits? Zombies? Mad dogs? Englishmen?

    Do me a favour mate – stop spitting feathers and rack that little ole brain of yours and try to come up with a solution to the wholesale slaughter of innocent kids. It isn’t all about you and your personal preferences. Kids have died in your schools on a regular and depressing basis. All we hear from you is ME!ME!ME! MY RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!

    What about the kids, their teachers, the families?

    Strikes me that you’re more a part of the problem than any kind of solution.

    So, what’s your solution to the slaughter?

  10. rfreed says:

    Whoa Skoob!
    You said it!

  11. Here’s your answer Skoob….

    There were 506 homicides in Chicago last year, home of one of the nation’s toughest gun laws, and home to the President of the United States. From 1965 to last year the total was 22,033 in Chicago Land.
    From 1986-2011 there were 332,386 homicides in the US.

    Traffic accidents ending in fatalities in the US for the past 4 years was 136,321.

    American military deaths in both Iraq campaigns totaled 4486 from 2003-2012, while Afghanistan from 2001 to 2012 claimed 2174 lives.
    (The Brits lost 7 I believe mostly from hemmorhoids)

    The agony of Viet Nam claimed 58,193 young lives, 18,518 by small arms fire.

    From 1986-2011, 25 years, there were 332,386 homicides in the US.

    On the other hand, Planned Parent Hood, financed mostly by taxpayers(about 45% of their budget)aborted 332,278 babies in the last year alone, an average of 910 lives PER DAY!

    By the non profit organization’s own accounting they have aborted 5,320,095 lives from 1970 until 2011.

    To put things in perspective, the Holocaust claimed over 5,860,800 Jewish lives from 1933-1945 in concentration camps the Iranians claim were merely a myth.

    And they called us Viet Nam Vets BABY KILLERS!

    Federal subsidies for Planned Parent Hood soared 44% in the past two years to over $542M, with the Head of the organization Cecile Richards taking home $420k a year in salary and benefits.
    Pretty efficient over all when you figure each dead baby only cost the taxpayer $1.26 to cover her upkeep.

    In Arizona the last 5 executions cost the State $18,000 a piece for a Doctor to stick the needle in.

    A large handful of PP faithful staff receive compensation well over $250,000 a year.

    Hard to imagine that over 330,000 living beings were terminated because of rape incest, or health issues.

    Maybe it was because it was the ‘wrong sex’. Maybe people are just bored with life since it now can be dispatched so cheaply and paid for by others as just one more disposable item in America when you can adopt one so much cheaper from China!

    A woman’s body is sacrosanct, unless of course it’s used in an advertising campaign for Progressive Democrats to get out the vote.

    But plotting and carrying out premeditated murder does seem to be a bit cold blooded to me personally.

    And for those of you who have read this piece, let me advise you I am not a right wing Bible nut waging ‘a war against women.’

    I am also not a statistician, but the numbers quoted above should be enough to give some pause and lead to a real gut reality check.

    During the time I wrote this 19 more children will never live to see the sun rise, the ocean waves, feel the love of a parent, or the gift of a puppy to cuddle.

    So, when you talk kids getting killed needlessly, get your numbers straight.

    BTW…Funny, you haven’t mentioned that for the first time in recent memory London police are being forced to arm themselves because of the rising increase in gun related homicides in good old merry England…Home of the no-gun helpless populace. Shall I also mention knife deaths have doubled in the last 5 years in the UK as well? What next for you sods…Plastic knives?

    My advice to you is to get back to getting that horrid socialistic mess called the ‘Give-A-Way-UK’ squared away. Once you do that, then you’ve earned the balls to attack our hard won Constitutional Rights. Remember, it was because of your British ancestors that we thankfully have a Second Amendment!

    Now, go drink yourself back into alcoholic oblivion…Collect your government stipend for still being historically hard-core unemployed…And go chide someone who cares.

    (Partial Text Credits: Captain America)

  12. Skoob1999 says:

    Wow! You should go into politics mate. A lengthy diatribe there which again refuses to tackle the issue in question and says absolutely nothing. With a couple of complimentary personal attacks thrown into the mix. Quelle surprise!

    Bargis – stop dancing around your handbag like a faded 70s disco dancer and answer the question: What do you propose to do to prevent innocent kids and their teachers from being gunned down by nutters in what should be a place of safety?

    Oh, and I’d be the first to concede that things are far from perfect over here, but we’re working on it. Not acting like recalcitrant children.

  13. P. Beckert says:

    While I have been staying out of it for some time now, I do have to say that I would like to know the same thing. How do we fix it?

  14. P. Beckert says:

    ya know, we can all become statisticians if we we go to the sites that assist in helping us formulate our opinions. Left is as bad as the right in this regard. But let me ask you this, when will we stop arguing black and white issues and start exploring the grey areas in order to come to some sort of compromise so that everyone wins? Abortion is wrong, if you use it as a personal birth control method. Abortion is necessary in certain cases. See how it works? Guns are not toys and therefore, there is no reason to use them as such. By allowing this practice – I’m talking about the people who claim they like using assault weapons as a hobby- the wrong guns get into the wrong hands. Let’s agree that if they aren’t on the market, they can’t be a problem. I’m probably not saying this as succinctly as I could because these are my words, not words taken from someone else’s website. I’ve yet to see you actually think for yourself Bargis. I do see you, and others like you, regurgitate the same things over and over again. Maybe that is the problem. Maybe we all should take a deep breath, go inside ourselves for the right answers, and show a little respect for each other. That would be a good place to start. It is not nice to call people names. Who exactly do you think you are better than?

    And that’s all I’m gonna say so don’t bait me into any more. That’s why I’m no longer on this site.

  15. P. Beckert says:

    Strangest thing….soon as I posted the above, someone reminded me of the song by Todd Rundgren, “Can We Still Be Friends.” It was a poetry site, nothing to do with differences, yet the song appeared. I’m thankful for that. I’m back in a better place already. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvdGPD443nE

  16. Skoob1999 says:

    I think I made my point without resorting to personal insults or over reliance on statistical nonsense or twisted logic. The argument appears to boil down to two essential components. The first being: We have a problem here, so how do we address it? The second being: I’d try to help solve the problem but it would interfere with my leisure activities. So I’ll brush it all under the carpet like it never happened and blame the Democrats for just about everything.

    Oh, and the gay British. Let’s not forget them – they’re worse than Obama, and not a single one can produce a valid birth certificate. They’re all gay…zzzzz….and unemployed….and lovers of Islam who’d roll over and give their country to Al Qaeda in a heartbeat…zzzz….

    And they tweet pics of their genitalia to upstanding church going wives whose husbands are out deer hunting.

    Same old same old. Dull, repetetive, witless, humourless – like a spoilt child caught in a compromising situation who thinks that shouting and screaming cuts it. It doesn’t. It displays a lack of constructive thought. More worryingly my friend displays a lack of social conscience of any description.

    But then, what do I know? I’m an alcoholic Brit who doesn’t have a job. (Actually, I’m a working taxpayer who enjoyed a Christmas break in a five star hotel in Cologne, Germany – he might be half way right on the alcoholic thing though. I do like a drink. If they introduced prohibition here I’d probably be concerned. But I doubt very much that I’d cry about it.)

    I do like to be credible. That’s it really,

    Love you guys. (Most of you!)

  17. P. Beckert says:

    Just to clarify, no, Skoob, you weren’t the one calling the names. You were asking a valid question.

  18. Here’s a valid answer….

    The Obama administration is using recent mass shootings (with the exception of Fort Hood, of course, which it does not want to acknowledge as an Islamist terror attack) to press a gun control agenda many decades in the making. The Administration has not yet suggested a single policy proposal that would have prevented the horrific killings at Sandy Hook, and the task force chaired by Vice President Joe Biden is not likely to do so, either.

    Their campaign depends on blaming Second Amendment advocates for Sandy Hook. They rely on the acquiescence of “me, too” pundits such as David Frum, who today blamed “the gun lobby” for “putting those children in their graves in the first place.” Remove that effort at inducing collective guilt, and they lose, because most fear to admit what they really want is… to remove the Second Amendment pure and simple!

    When i was in the US Army, the Army swore us in and we affirmed that we would defend the Constitution. We did gladly.

    Some of us lost our lives doing that. Others lost a part of themselves to war.

    When I and others departed the service no one asked us to rescind that oath.

    If the Federal government, the Armed Services, and the people of this country put enough faith in my (and others) good decision making abilities and our personal responsibility to carry a weapon as a means of enforcing national policy…They better damn be ready to allow us to protect our lives, our property, and the lives of those around us with a weapon that we are more than fully trained to legally use.

    In the last 30 or so years, guns haven’t changed all that much, but people behind the gun have changed alot.

    You want a safer country? Tell Obama to enforce the 20,000 existing gun laws on the books. Question why the current administration allowed enforcement of gun laws to drop 40% in the past 4 years. Ask the hard questions as to why it’s easier to allow a crazy person to walk the streets than to buy a pack of cigarettes. Demand why immigration is in such a shambles and foreign criminals use our country like a shooting gallery. Tell me why ghettos have the highest crime stats after trillions of dollars have been pumped into minority betterment programs since the 60′s.

    Responsible citizens aren’t the problem. Guns and ammo aren’t the problem. The problems that contribute to the overall violence are glaring and it will take a shake up of how we look upon criminals, drugs, crazy people, the media, and people’s own personal responsibility.

  19. P. Beckert says:

    Ask Ronald Reagan about deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. Our psychiatric facilities were costing too much, and as a consequence, the mentally ill (including schizophrenics and bi-polar patients) were turned into the streets. I remember all too well when that happened. Today, it is damned near impossible to get insurance companies to cover mental health costs to the same degree that they do medical health issues. So, I would tend to agree that there are more unstable Americans walking the streets. There are more stresses in life, so there are more breaking points. So, let me ask you this. Say you know that your child is mesmerized when he sees a fire. You catch him out back of the house setting a fire. Do you keep matches within his reach? Of course not. So my point is, we know there are more and more folks with short fuses these days who can go off with very little provocation. Do you make guns accessible so that not only can he strike out with his fists but with a weapon? Of course not. The idea of gun control isn’t just not being allowed to purchase guns, it is the idea that guns should be secured so that they don’t fall into the wrong hands. That sounds reasonable to me. Gun control means an ordinary citizen does not need a rapid-fire weapon for any reason at all, including hobbies.

    As for pumping money into the ghettos. That is laughable. Money doesn’t make it that far down. If it did, in the way of better education, jobs, social programs, health services, poor neighborhoods would be in much better shape. You were a businessman, how many black people did you hire. Or let’s go back to the day you were born. You were born a white man in America, statistically the most privileged human being on the planet. What would your life have been like had you been born black, in the 50s or 40s? How far would you be today, and don’t tell me you would be just as successful because we both know that would be a lie. The truth is, the very fact that you were born a white man, increased your chances of coming out on top. Being born a black man decreases those chances exponentially. It is not for lack of trying, it is because blacks have never been given the same chance as whites. We’ve come close, but even affirmative action is an abysmal failure unfortunately because no matter how hard anyone tries to make right the many wrongs, there is always someone coming along behind to figure out how to make a fast buck out of it.

    As for the founding fathers and the 2nd Amendment, I’ve about had it up to here with that tired argument. I cannot for a minute believe that they had in mind giving the right to anyone to own a machine as powerful as a semi-automatic pistol or rifle. What a ridiculous notion. As for giving my fellow countrymen the right to protect my freedoms on the off chance that my government does not have the ability? Well, I’ll take my chances with the government we have, not in my half-crazed, AK-15 whatever the hell it is-carrying neighbor.

    here’s the skinny…no matter how much frosting you wanna put on those guns and call them cupcakes, they are killing machines. Men and women have breaking points. Guns and attitudes don’t mix. Get the guns out of the mix. At least the ones that are so coveted by their owners because if even one more person in this country is as loony as this guy, we are never going to see the end of the craziness. http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/tennessee-suspends-gun-carry-permit-james-y

    And lastly, NAACP Says No To Police in Schools…Might Arrest Too Many Black Kids!, Liberals Berate Responsible Gun Owners; Embrace the Biggest Taxpayer Funded Child Killer, Brit Muslim Mom Beats Son To Death Over Quran Lessons, Is It Really Better To Give Than To Receive? A Fudge Packer’s Perspective, and Woman With 15 Illegitimate Children Says, “Taxpayers Need To Be Responsible And Need To Help With Their Support!” The site is called SatireWorld, but there is nothing humorous about the homophobic, anti-Muslim, misogynistic, downright hatred being spewed from the site and I’m just hoping that soon, it is taken down because in my opinion it is disrespectful on so many levels, not to mention highly inciteful (no not insightful).

    This has been a long time coming. How dare you, Mr. Tryhol (not your real name) use this site and the other one you were so beneficently awarded, for your own personal vendetta against anything remotely left of your far right leanings. You, sir, and your cronies are what is wrong with this country. You are not true Americans. You are bullies, and quite frankly, you can’t even form your own opinion without having someone else write it for you.

  20. ziggy says:

    i don’t know who this barfus is but a bunch unverified or even unrelated stats don’t exaclty reflect reality no more than a bunch of words strung together make a comprehensible sentence. and obama didn’t sell out anyone but his own legacy. rather than promise what he had no idea of how to deliver, instead of burning up the airwaves with more rhetoric, he should have been quiet and reflected. then kicked the crap out of his own party sitting on their hands. then maybe something good would have come out of all this. until then he’s as bogus as any other politician with a platform. o’bama is not coming after any guns. he’s too big a pussy.

  21. Skoob1999 says:

    I pretty much agree with everything Patti just said.

    Satire is satire, but hatred is hatred. I was surprised that Bargis was allowed to showcase his extremist views on a reputable website, given his track record, and that of his friends. They just refuse to accept any kind of logic excepting their own outmoded skew on things.

    Hence the nazi analogies and the pseudo patriotic BS.

    With more respect paid than has ever been earned, I’d like to wave Bargis bye-bye. I’d love to say it’s been a pleasure – but that would be lying.

    The truth is that Bargis lives a life in denial. Still, that doesn’t matter too much if you’re locked and loaded.

    Expect dirty tricks from el creepo – it’s how he rolls.

  22. Whoa, is this a Spoof of the spoof? I certainly wasn’t expecting to find my father fighting with my old arch-nemesis Buckwheatsbutt, aka Largest Piehole when I logged on.

    Who needs a gun, Skoob? How about I bash this guy in the head with a frying pan?

  23. Sheogorath says:

    “So, what’s your solution to the
    slaughter?”
    Arm the kids. Every day in Switzerland, kids legally take rifles to school for shooting lessons, meaning the entire population is armed with weapons they know how to use. The kicker? Switzerland also has the lowest rate of gun crime in the Western World.

  24. Yes, please join us and read what Patti Beckert hates…FREE SPEECH!

    http://www.satireworld.com

    Skoob…Wipe your nose it’s disgusting.

  25. Hey Patti…You forgot some other sample headlines (or was that on purpose?)

    ‘Monica Lewinsky Turns 50 Years Old This Month. Bill Clinton Will Not Be Sending A Card’

    ‘Sphincters Tighten as Barney Frank Continues Back Door Assault on Kerry’s Seat!’

    ‘Congressman Henry Waxman Arrested at LAX trying to smuggle Derringer up his nose!’

    ‘Obamabots Go Pale After Seeing Their Taxes Go Up On Year’s First Pay Stub!’

    ‘UK Guardian Pushes for ‘Understanding’ and Minority Status for ‘Oppressed” Pedophiles!’

    ‘Unusual Cave Drawings Found In Sofia Vergara’s Cleavage!’

    ‘Post British Handgun Ban…Result? Handgun Crime Doubles!’

    ‘at Girls Break Hamburger Eating Record To Raise Money For The DNC’

    ‘The Story of “O” – Obama’s Erotic Rise to Power: Sex, Whips, Submission and the Perversion of the Democratic Party’

    Fat Girl Supported Obama Because…“He’ll Make Me Skinny!”

    ‘ay Chinese Guy First To Come Out Of Bejing Closet, Lands Twinkies Endorsement Deal’

    ‘Famous NY Stage Deli Closes: Can’t Compete With Baloney Coming out of Obama!’

    ‘Exclusive: US Food Stamp Recipients Now Outnumber Populations of 24 States Combined!’

    ‘Once Again… Jane Fonda Wins National Poll As America’s Favorite Traitor’

    ‘he Streets of Bordello Falls-They’re Back! (part 1)’

    and finally..One that had mega hits from some obscure site in the UK:

    ‘In Letter From The Grave, Jimmy Savile Boasts, ”I’m Martin ‘Skoob’ Shuttlecock’s Real Father”

    Sorry Patti….We print and say what we want because we can. We don’t live in a Patti-world yet where censorship and lies are the norm. The main problem with far-left liberals like Maher, Moore, and yes, Patti Beckert. They can tear apart a conservative and their values and that’s OK, but once the tables are turned they howl.

    WE INVITE ANYONE TO READ OUR STORIES AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

  26. Skoob1999 says:

    Sorry, but I had to laugh at the previous post. By all means take a look at this stuff – but do be warned that it’s historically virus and trojan riddled, and unless you’re using Apple hardware it can kill your computer. Not to mention appallingly written. And Patti howls if she can’t get her own way? Do me a favour! Nobody throws a tantrum like good ole Bargis!

    *Stamps feet and holds breath until bright red in the face*

    THUD!

  27. P. Beckert says:

    What you are slinging around is not free speech, it is hatred, deep-seated, ugly hatred, tucked neatly between the sheets of what appears to be satire. And you have no compunction about whom you associate with your hate speech. We’re all angry for one reason or another but we don’t go around writing sophomoric stories about our perceived enemies. It is juvenile and it speaks to exactly what type of person(s) we are dealing with. I thought you were a better writer than that.

  28. P. Beckert says:

    I didn’t miss those. I did give the site so people could see for themselves. And, Bargis, if you can’t see the problem with some of the stories you run, then I can’t help you. Yours are spewed from a hateful place not many of us can conceivably go. Mine are written, hopefully, with a bit of humor. I never forget the humor and I never just pick on people for the sake of picking on people. You may want to go back and look up the meaning of satire. Oh forget it. You’ll still be here long after I’ve gone and you know what? I’m just glad our paths don’t have to cross again unless I want them to and I choose for them not to. I said my piece. I’m done.

  29. *Stamps feet and holds breath until bright red in the face*

    THUD!

    Some excerpts I found that I believe apply in a general way to many of the comments in this thread:

    Cindy Handler Political writer
    How to Talk About Gun Violence
    Posted: 01/11/2013 5:06 pm

    “Don’t waste your breath on the unpersuadable. Even NRA President David Keene recognizes that the White House just had him over to be polite. Leaders of the gun lobbying group, which constitute roughly 1.3 percent of all Americans, truly believe that they’re going to die if they can’t have access to all guns at all times in all places, and until now, the depth of their passionate paranoia has more than compensated for their limited numbers. You can’t argue with their magical thinking; the last time I wrote about gun control for this site, I heard from a number of them, and they made comments along the lines of “If I’d been in that darkened, teargas-filled, panic-stricken Aurora movie theater being sprayed with bullets, I would have nailed that shooter from the back row.” Ignore these people, and save the conversation for the majority of Americans who want common-sense solutions like universal background checks and a ban on assault weapons. You’ll recognize reasonable people by the way they don’t yell or get red in the face when they talk about guns.

    “Stop parroted nonsense in its tracks. So much of it has been reflexively repeated over the years that it can be taken as gospel, and the antidote is a quick, proactive Google search. For example, the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre pithily announced that “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” But, as The New York Times recently noted, “In the 62 mass-murder cases over 30 years examined recently by the magazine Mother Jones, not one was stopped by an armed civilian.” Or if your conversational partner says that the Second Amendment disallows regulation, you can refer him to Justice Antonin Scalia’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, in which he states that like most rights, the right to bear arms is not unlimited. If the default response to every fact you cite is “That’s why we need more guns,” you’re talking to a true believer (see above) and you’re wasting your time.

    “Recognize when someone tries to change the subject. Who can argue with statements like “First we need to do something about mental health,” or “The culture needs to change,” or “Parents need to act like parents”? They’re all true, but that’s not what you’re talking about. If you were discussing drunken driving and someone said, “Yes, but we need to design safer cars,” you’d know a non-sequitur when you heard one.

    “Get off the defensive. It’s easy to get in that position when you’re speaking to someone who’s emotional about not changing the status quo.”

  30. Skoob1999 says:

    Have a frying pan son. Be my guest.

    You never know – maybe you’ll knock some sense in there.

    I doubt it though. Stupid is as stupid does.

  31. No one wants to ever again see anything like the senseless slaughter of 26 people including 20 children at a school. But as legislators turn toward creating new gun laws, here are some facts they need to know.

    1. Violent crime – including violent crime using guns – has dropped massively over the past 20 years.

    The violent crime rate – which includes murder, rape, and beatings – is half of what it was in the early 1990s. And the violent crime rate involving the use of weapons has also declined at a similar pace.

    2. Mass shootings have not increased in recent years.

    Despite terrifying events like Sandy Hook or last summer’s theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado, mass shootings are not becoming more frequent. “There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Northeastern University, who studies the issue. Other data shows that mass killings peaked in 1929.

    3. Schools are getting safer.

    Across the board, schools are less dangerous than they used be. Over the past 20 years, the rate of theft per 1,000 students dropped from 101 to 18. For violent crime, the victimization rate per 1,000 students dropped from 53 to 14.

    4. There Are More Guns in Circulation Than Ever Before.

    Over the past 20 years, virtually every state in the country has liberalized gunownership rules and many states have expanded concealed carry laws that allow more people to carry weapons in more places. There around 300 million guns in the United States and at least one gun in about 45 percent of all households. Yet the rate of gun-related crime continues to drop.

    5. “Assault Weapons Bans” Are Generally Ineffective.

    While many people are calling for reinstating the federal ban on assault weapons – an arbitrary category of guns that has no clear definition – research shows it would have no effect on crime and violence. “Should it be renewed,” concludes a definitive study, “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”

    The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting is as horrifing a crime as can be imagined. It rips at the country’s heart and the call to action is strong and righteous. But as Joe Biden and his panel of experts consider changes to gun laws and school-safety policies, they need to lead with their heads and not just their hearts.

    Over the past dozen years, too many policies – the Patriot Act, the war in Iraq, the TARP bailouts – have been ruled by emotion and ideology.

    Passing sweeping new restrictions on Second Amendment rights won’t heal the pain and loss we all feel but just may create many more problems in our future.

    A new Justice Department study looking at violent crimes committed against “youth”—defined as Americans from 12 to 17 years of age—discovered that the rate of “serious violent crime” committed against youth by a perpetrator using a firearm dropped 95 percent from 1994 to 2010.

    The study—“Violent Crime Against Youth, 1994-2010”–also discovered that American youth who were victims of a serious violent crime in 2010 were six times more likely to have been attacked by a perpetrator wielding a knife than one wielding a gun.

    Serious violent crimes against youth perpetrated at schools dropped 62 percent from 1994 to 2010, said the study, and students were less likely to become victims of a serious violent crime at school than they were away from school. In 2010, 6.6 out of every 1,000 youth became victims of a serious violent crime at school while 7.4 of every 1,000 became victims of a serious violent crime away from school.

  32. Brian K. White says:

    Jesus, Bargholio, can’t you ever just admit that you’re wrong??? Guess not. Let me state it plainly; you’re wrong. Rant all you want with stock standard conservative talking points, but rest assured, we all know you’re nothing more than a parrot of the far-right fringe.

  33. Hey Brian…I base being ‘right’ by researching all facts. There’s nothing in any leftist ideas about gun control that if in place would’ve prevented that tragedy.

    In Chicago for instance, the most gun regulated city in the US…Here’s a hard fact:

    There were 405 Coalition deaths in Afghanistan in 2012. 310 of the 405 deaths were Americans.
    Meanwhile in Chicago there were 532 homicides in 2012.

    These were criminal acts committed by criminals. Taking firearm freedom from law abiding citizens won’t stop murders. That has been a proven fact for the last 30 plus years.

    I might add, the difference between us and the Brits is very obvious. In the US we are citizens. In the UK they are subjects.

    OK ending this thread for good. Sometimes the truth is just a little too much to bear for those with pre-conceived ideas….But I should say, I did enjoy Dexter’s original story!

  34. “OK ending this thread for good.” – B. T.

    Good! Does that mean I get the last word?

    In US: More Preschoolers Than Cops Get Shot Dead
    JANUARY 14, 2013 2:00 PM
    By Charley James

    “Most people rightly believe that being a police officer in the US is a seriously dangerous job. But when measured in terms of the risk of being shot and killed, it isn’t: More preschooler’s die every year from guns than do cops.

    “According to a new report from the Children’s Defense Fund, in 2008 and 2009 – the two years after the Virginia Tech shootings – 173 kids age five and under died from gunfire in the US. By comparison, 89 police officers were shot and killed during the same period.

    “Teens don’t fare any better. The CDF study, the twelfth annual report it has done on gun violence against children in America, reports that the gun homicide rate for teens and young adults ages 15-to-24 in the US is 42.7 times higher than the combined rate for 23 other industrialized nations.

    “Put differently, the 5,740 children and teens killed by guns during the same two years nearly equals the 6,661 US troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq since those wars began. The most recent analysis of gun deaths shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these 23 nations lived in America.

    “Yet the NRA and its Congressional supporters have the audacity to still insist the answer to the country’s obscene gun violence is more guns. How many more guns are needed? Already, there are more weapons than broadband connections in America.

    “Disparity

    “As with many other things in America, race figures prominently in the statistics.

    “While blacks suffered 45 percent of all child and teen gun deaths in 2008 and 2009, they make up only 15 percent of the nation’s population of children. In 2009, black males who are between 15 and 19 years old are eight times more likely as whites, and almost three times as likely as Hispanics, to be killed in a gun homicide.

    “Basically, these children are dying needlessly, and only because it is too easy for too many people to acquire guns.

    “Frank Zimring, a professor at the University of California-Berkeley, did a landmark study on gun deaths found that while most were unplanned – manslaughter rather than murder – having a gun handy dramatically increased the likelihood of someone dying.

    “Moreover, a Center for Disease Control study notes that states with higher rates of gun ownership and weaker gun control laws have the highest rates of gun deaths. The opposite is also true: States with strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates have significantly lower rates of gun deaths. While sensible gun laws may impose a small burden on law abiding citizens they also confer a significant benefit in the form of saved lives.

    “Gun death statistics were not collected by age until 1979. Since then, nearly 120,000 children have been killed by firearms in the US.

    “Children are dying simply because someone wants to own an AK-47,” states Dr. Howard Lindeman, an emergency room physician who has worked on children brought in with gunshot wounds that often were life threatening. “A gun owner’s ‘rights’ end before a bullet enters the body of a four or five year old kid.”

    “Justification

    “No one can rationally justify allowing the continuing spread of guns when you are more likely to be a baby who is shot dead playing than is an adult patrolling the mean streets? The Economist put it bluntly: “Only an idiot … could possibly pretend that no connection exists between those figures and the fact that 300-million guns are “out there” in the United States, more than one for every adult.”

    “The nation would not even be having this looney-tunes “debate” over the right to own assault rifles and high-capacity handgun ammo clips had five old white guys on the Supreme Court understood 18th century grammar and punctuation standards. Because they didn’t, they misapplied the Second Amendment to 21st century gun laws. As a result, gun control laws were struck down, dooming even more children to die needlessly.

    “The 2nd Amendment also talks about “a well-regulated militia.” In the 1700s, this was the term used to describe armies. The framers were not thinking of mulyuks wrapping high-powered, automatic assault weapons in “Swedish Bikini Team Coach” tee-shirts and hiding it in a closet to be brought out in case the federal government became unruly.

    “So now, Vice President Joe Biden is trying to thread a needle, finding common ground that doesn’t seem to exist between a Supreme Court ruling based on a false reading of the Constitution, the NRA’s unholy argument for all-guns-all-the-time, and common sense. On Tuesday, Biden is expected to announce a proposal for bringing a sliver of rationality to America’s gun laws after weeks of holding meetings with a broad range of vested interests. Pres. Obama ordered the review following the Newtown catastrophe.

    “When a five year old in America is 5.8 times more likely to die because of a gun than in all other high income nations combined, the country has a serious problem that could be easily fixed. Unfortunately, NRA along with the gun and ammunition manufacturers who bankroll it have billions of dollars at stake. The gun lobby – along with the lunatics who want to own weapons more powerful than anything carried by World War II vets – care less about children than about unneeded and unnecessary high powered weapons.”

    THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS NO FLAME OR HEAT SOURCE OF ANY KIND

  35. P. Beckert says:

    I looked up your source for the report of children killed with guns, Charley James, because I was so impressed with his research skills and his powerful writing. Seems he’s homeless and up until recently, without a job. He now has a part-time job as a journalist. He appears on the Daily Kos. I’m glad for him. And I’ll follow his writing. I can’t say why I’m drawn to left-leaning notions. Maybe because they make me feel more human knowing I can’t possibly believe anyone would want to own something as dangerous as a high-powered assault rifle just because someone over 200 years ago said they had the right to (if that was the intent at all). I cannot connect with those people. I see no need for war, for hunger, poverty or sickness when there is more than enough for everyone if everyone was willing to share what they have for the good of all. It boggles my mind.

  36. Patti, I know you’re busy looking for ways to share your wealth and inspired from reading about a poor, down-trodden homeless dude who now writes for a leftist rag that by most accounts is barely a news source …Read something that will educate you on the truth, that is if you want to know the truth about what the designers of our Bill of Rights and Constitution really meant.

    The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

    The Second Amendment says, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    The right to arms derives from the right of self-defense, and therefore is an individual right. Thomas Jefferson said, “No free man shall be debarred the use of arms.” Patrick Henry said, “The great object is that every man be armed.” Richard Henry Lee said, “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms.” Thomas Paine said, “[A]rms . . . discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe.”

    James Madison, who introduced the Bill of Rights in the House of Representatives, said its amendments “relate first to private rights.” Sen. William Grayson said the amendments “altogether respected personal liberty.” Tench Coxe said the Second Amendment protected the people’s “right to keep and bear their private arms.”

    The Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) that “the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right,” and that the Second Amendment protects a pre-existing individual right to keep and bear arms, without regard to a person’s relationship to a militia, including “the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.” Dissmissing the idea that only 18th century muskets are protected, the Court said “the Second Amendment extends , prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms.” The Court previously recognized that the Second Amendment protects an individual right in U.S. v. Cruikshank (1876), Presser v. Illinois (1886), U.S. v. Miller (1939) and U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990).

    Constitutional scholar Stephen P. Halbrook has found no historical evidence that the amendment was intended to protect a “collective right” of states to arm militias, or a “sophisticated collective right” to use arms only when serving in a militia. Richard Henry Lee said the militia are “the people themselves.” George Mason said the “the whole people” are the militia. In U.S. v. Miller, the Supreme Court described the militia as “civilians, primarily, soldiers on occasion . . . a body of citizens. . . . bearing arms supplied by themselves.”

    The National Guard is subject to absolute federal control (Perpich v. Dept. of Defense, 1990). When federalized, it is not part of the militia. At other times, it is the “organized militia. ”At all times, the “unorganized militia” consists of other able-bodied males of age and certain other citizens.

  37. rfreed says:

    In those days they had little better than muzzle loaders.
    We are evolving and so are guns.
    Laws also need to evolve to keep pace with them.

  38. P. Beckert says:

    Never mind. Wait, I will say one thing…the “share your wealth” comment. Were that I had it to give.

  39. Yes, the Second Amendment says, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    So, the Second Amendment says, “A WELL REGULATED militia is NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a free state.”

    What is a well-regulated militia? Well, a good example would be the National Guard, an example of those Americans MOST guaranteed to bear arms. When not in use, though, their weapons are disassembled and the different parts put in different locations.

    Why should the American public have greater access to weapons than the National Guard? To prevent tyranny?

    What, like the tyranny of Mitt Romney, who suggested the President sold Chrysler to Italians so they could make Jeeps in China?

    Like the tyranny of the Tea Party, whose “taxes on millionaires strangle the economy” directly contradicts the broad economic expansion under the Eisenhower administration?

    Like the tyranny of the NRA, whose rank-and-file have almost no representation in the organization, while NRA top brass has discovered that controversy sells even more guns and ammo for the weapons manufacturers they are in bed with?

    Look, nobody is trying to take everyone’s guns away. Some of us are just tired of the absolutism. If you can’t pass a background check, or if you’re simply in too much of a hurry to wait for one, you don’t need a gun. And until a militant regime threatens to topple our government, we don’t really need assault weapons on our streets, and never in our schools.

  40. Skoob1999 says:

    Bargis – one thing about writing mate, know your audience. Obviously a difficult undertaking for you. Your audience is that guy in South Carolina and his mate in New Mexico. Try talking to them. I’m sure they’ll appreciate your lengthy diatribes far more than any of the good people here ever will.

    AND THAT’S MY FINAL WORD ON THE SUBJECT!

  41. Gees SFO..Still full of B-S….”What, like the tyranny of Mitt Romney, who suggested the President sold Chrysler to Italians so they could make Jeeps in China?”

    I’m not even going waste the time providing facts on the rest of your ludicrous assertions because they’re blantantly false as well, so here’s what you don’t know….

    On Sunday, Reuters reported Fiat and Chrysler, which Fiat owns, are on the verge of signing an agreement to produce Jeeps in China, and they may make the announcement as early as Monday at the Detroit Auto Show:
    Italian carmaker Fiat and its U.S. unit Chrysler are set to sign a new agreement with Guangzhou Automobile Group Co to produce the Jeep vehicle for the Chinese market, Il Corriere della Sera said on Sunday.

    In an unsourced article, the Corriere said the head of Fiat and Chrysler Sergio Marchionne could announce the agreement at the Detroit auto show, which kicks off on Monday.

    Under the agreement, off-road vehicles under the Jeep brand will be produced at GAC’s Canton factory, the paper said.

    This report debunks the supposedly neutral fact-checking organization Politifact’s claim that Mitt Romney’s campaign advertisement during the 2012 that alleged Obama sold Chrysler to Italians “who are going to build Jeeps in China” was 2012′s “Lie of the Year.”

    Politifact announced that Mitt Romney’s “Jeep” ad was its “2012 Lie of the Year” even though the ad was factually true.

  42. Skoob1999 says:

    IS THAT YOUR FINAL WORD ON THIS?

    We should be told.

  43. My final word is….Skoob, please do your bad Stan Laurel impression because all the kids here get a kick out of it.

  44. Brian K. White says:

    Jesus imaginary Christ, Bargis. Talk about a sore winner.

  45. Bargis, I already have a Google ultimate badge, but thanks for the Romney/Chrysler rehash.

    Remember, if you drive a Jeep made in China, the steering wheel will be on the right.

    Considering the way you navigate discussion forums, maybe you already drive one.

    THIS POST CONTAINS NO FLAME OR HEAT SOURCE OF ANY KIND

  46. This just in:

    3 Satirists Injured in Car Crash

    Police report indicates two passengers, Habaneroman and Braille, and the driver, Largis Pyhole, all sustained groin injuries in the crash.

    Evidence suggests that, disoriented by the unfamiliar location of the steering wheel in his new Chinese Jeep, Pyhole swerved into oncoming traffic while en route to a gun show.

    Witnesses indicated the trio were in great pain, grabbing their crotches and their assault weapons alternately, chanting in unison, “This is my weapon, this is my gun, this one’s for killing, this one’s for fun.”

  47. Okay, dad, I’ll put down the frying pan.

    ;)

  48. Unless he wants to call me out on the Eisenhower thing again.

    Or the NRA rank-and-file/top brass thing.

    Then it’s, “PING!” Right off the old noggin’.

  49. rfreed says:

    It’s amazing when the replies get to be longer than the original article itself….

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