In Portland, Oregon today, many citizens are worried about fluoride and its potential effects such that they have voted against its inclusion in their water supply four times in the last six decades. However, what Portlanders seem to be unaware of is the fact that fluoride seems fairly harmless in comparison to the range of chemicals ingested by humans on a daily basis.
In the average meal, for example, there can be chemicals such as nicotinic acid, pyridoxine, cyanocobalamin, ergocalciferol, tocopherol, phylloquinone, menaquinones, canthaxanthin, azodicarbonamide, and phosphoric acid.
Xanthine alkaloids, which can act as central nervous system and metabolic stimulants and also produce vasoconstriction, are regularly consumed by American citizens, even children.
Another chemical that often finds its way into our bodies is dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a substance which is proven to have effects such as:
• death due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities.
• prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
• excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
• gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
• it is often found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
One argument against fluoride is that it’s a by-product of fertiliser, but DHMO is worse. Some of its well known uses are:
• as an industrial solvent and coolant.
• in nuclear power plants.
• by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels.
• in biological and chemical weapons manufacture.
• as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant.
• by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members’ families (although surprisingly, many members vehemently deny such use).
• historically, in Hitler’s death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq, and Iran.
• by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in the Ivory Coast.
• in animal research laboratories.
• in pesticide production and distribution.
• in it’s purest form, it is also used in waterboarding of detainees.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but against the long list above, doesn’t fluoride seem rather harmless? I know I’d rather have fewer cavities than ingest something Saddam used to kill Kurds with and Hitler employed to gas disabled people.
"What are the stats for permanent damage from H2O consumption?"
Answer: According to the World Health Organization, There are an estimated 372 000 annual drowning deaths worldwide.
What?
Something brought out the tinfoil hat brigade?
Did I miss some excitement again?
Couldn’t one of you have the decency to call me when these things happen?
For god’s sake!
Phones are not that difficult to use!
I know what you mean, Brian. For example: And the other toxic chemicals mentioned are NOT prescribed as a therapy through drinking water.
Considering the fact that the ‘toxic chemicals’ I listed are vitamins, caffeine, and water, I guess my point has been well and truly proven.
Yes Peter MacProf, you caught me. I’m part of the 99.9% conspiracy. Fluoride is what we put in chemtrails. It’s part of our secret Muslim plot to turn Evangelicals gay. You’ll notice how well it’s already working…
/that’s what you sound like.
Brian K White, who funds the scientists? There are just as many greedy careless and loopy scientists out there as in the rest of the population, yourself included. There is no vast consensus among them; a greta many scientists are opposed to mass medication. What are you? An apologist for all those who enjoy power over us! Don’t take any comfort for thinking you are right. Don’t try to force your opinions on the rest of us who value our right to choose what we ingest, and are aware of the increasing evidence that fluoridation is unethical, harmful, costly and inefficient.
Q: Doesn’t fluoride seem rather harmless?
A: No.
Boy, Sheograth, you sure brought out the tinfoil hat brigade.
Too much of anything is dangerous. Too much Vitamin-C can kill you. Should I demand a ban on those deadly oranges so full of vitamin-c? Water is deadly in excess. Aspirin will kill you too.
Unfortunately for the anti-fluoride crowd, the facts simply are not on your side. I know you’re very passionate about it, and you’re free to be as wrong as you want, but try not to be such dicks about it.
I’m not saying I’m smarter than you, I’m just saying that the vast, overwhelming consensus of scientists who have studied this surely are. And if I’m not smarter than you, I can at least take comfort knowing that I’m right.
What kind of insane logic is this? That's like saying lets try putting fire out with kerosene instead of water. There is nothing funny about the ingestion of any toxic substance. INSTEAD OF PRETENDING ARTIFICIAL FLUORIDE IS LESS HARMFUL THAN OTHERS WHY NOT TRY TO STOP ALL OF THESE POISONS FROM BEING INFLICTED ON OUR LOVED ONES. These poisons have a great deal to do with the public health crisis in the world and all should be banned, not treated as some kind of sick joke.
This correspondent 'sheogorath' takes a disturbing line saying " Portlanders seem to be unaware… that fluoride seems fairly harmless in comparison to the range of chemicals ingested by humans on a daily basis". Fluoride certainly is harmful to some. And the other toxic chemicals mentioned are NOT prescribed as a therapy through drinking water.
When fluoride makes people sick they cannot drink, or in severe cases, wash in their town's tap water any more. I just do not understand anyone supporting any treatment causing such health problems.
People who don't agree with harming others might well have voted and provided a good reason why the four referendums about getting forced treatment with fluoride in Portland have very sensibly been lost.
Extremely wicked sense of humour? You are hilarious. And fluoride is still toxic at doses very close to what is claoimed to be safe. 41% of 12 -15 year olds with dental fluorosis. What are the stats for permanent damage from H2O consumption?
@ James Reeves: Check out Respectful Insolence for links to some actual facts about fluoride, the lack of which I’m guessing has something to do with you double posting canards.
A very poor attempt at humor. Consuming a deadly poison is not very funny.
Only 5% of the world adds fluoride to drinking water. They know that it is ineffective for teeth and dangerous to health.
What everyone deserves is FREEDOM OF CHOICE and not being forced by the government to consume a drug. It is illegal for a doctor or a dentist to force one to take any drug. It should be illegal for the government as well.
Any prescribed fluoride would be a clean, pharmaceutical grade drug and certainly not the toxic waste fluoride, Hexafluorosilicic acid , used in drinking water. If you doubt this, ask your pharmacist.
So fluoride is still legal and available. Put as much as you wish in your own glass of water, and leave the rest of us out of it.